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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Douglas is reported in the EADt to have said this.

Douglas Carswell, Harwich MP, said the need for the port development was of overriding importance to the future of the town.

He said: “I think it's very good news. More traffic is good for the port and the community.”

He said there were “real problems” with the A120 and that the detrimental impact of extra traffic on the local environment was a price that Harwich had to pay.

He added: “All the benefits to the local community vastly outweigh the negative impacts. Is Harwich going to be a major port town in the future or not?”

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

Thats easy for him to say - he doesn't live here

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

If Harwich had to rely on jobs from this port proposal clearly we would have all starved to death by the time it arrives, Paul Davey HPUK said would be about half capacity by 2017.

But Essex Gurl you are quite right if 700 jobs or whatever the final number, after all a highly mechanised port must be the design of choice otherwise HPUK would not compete on equal terms with other ports internationally, hardly sound like a good idea when 20,000 people have to suffer as a consequence.

All the top management should live within half a mile of the port after all they call us NIMBY's.

This would ensure the port being as non polluting as possible.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

End of Bathside Bay plan, plea by TDC councillor Ricky Callender on front page of the Standard.

Ricky goes on to say he hopes we will have an attraction for tourists developed in the near future.

All power to your elbow Ricky.

Ideas are plentiful.

First suggestion, take the rates of shops in Tendring make it the first District to have a sales tax, the impetus would be inline with government regeneration of coastal towns.

The advantage that the supermarket has enjoyed for fifty years would be put back to parity in this respect at least.

Investors will flock to our coast, your suggestions vis-a-vis Bathside Bay could be the stirring that our business people need.

Small shops for specialist goods and services will bring the customers.

With a sales tax it would be proportionate to turnover, a great advantage to new business.

All those that have drawn up plans over the last seven or so years let us have your ideas?

ivan burit · Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject:

.."End of Bathside Bay plan, plea by TDC councillor Ricky Callender on front page of the Standard..."

At one of the recient full council meetings i sat in on and watched, this very item was spoke of as "dont pin your hopes on this yet" in relation to the bays regeneration taking place..........

Now me being a bit of a cynic, if we dont get the new road upgrades, we dont get the bay regenerated either..???

unlike our great new super liner of the skies, the A 380, first they improved the airports runways, then rebuilt the docking terminals, just for the very thing that needs it...........the airliner........
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

ivan burit · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

amenity, as i`m not a child of the seas, Q, how does the improved tilbury docks fare in regards to deep water shipping reaching and berthing there..
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

ivan burit · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

Amenity, even i do not know what i`m talking about here.....but....it seems that you have actually answered my question in two parts..
As old river thames is very tidal, it also must make deep draft vessals problem too.
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Maybe you are asking, how does the dredging problems with Bathside bay compare with that that will be needed for the proposed London Gateway Terminal?

In a nutshell, Bathside Bay will require very extensive dredging over a relatively short area, whereas the London Gateway dredge is very slight (levelling of hillocks under sea) over a large mileage.

I'll get you the cubic volume of estimated dredge material shortly for both sites, it makes interesting reading.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Just for starters Ivan,

Taken from Alistair Baillie's rebuttal
Chief Operating Officer
P&O Ports
April 2004

"It is also worth noting that both deep water access channels to
Bathside Bay and to London Gateway Port will need maintenance dredging in the
future. It is understood that the existing annual maintenance dredge requirements
of the Harwich Haven terminals are 3 Million m3 in the Stour and Orwell Estuary mouths, and if Bathside Bay goes ahead the maintenance requirement will increase by at least an additional 1 Million m3. This would be far (above) than that predicted for London Gateway Port which has an exceptionally low maintenance dredge requirement of no more than 200,000 m3 per annum. The environmental impact of such significant maintenance dredging At Harwich is an in-combination material consideration which must be taken into account"

ivan burit · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that info Amenity.
As i have been on the london gateway port`s site, and looked at its approach channels, i was left wondering just how close the channels would end up to the massive area in the seas beds that the wind turbine sites would take up, and possable collision courses it may have...
I must admit though, that when i lean on the sea wall looking out with my binnoculers accross the waters, i can only see ships superstrutures going to and from berths further up the Thames or its reaches, so they must be way over from our part of the seas edge....
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Found this snippet Ivan,

DP World already has a sizeable presence in the UK, with a half share in Southampton Container Terminals, the country's second largest box facility, and a shareholding in Tilbury Container Services a few miles upstream from the London Gateway site. Both were acquired as part the P&O purchase and will complement the services that London Gateway plans to offer,

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Further to the last post Ivan,
This is what people have been saying would happen at Felixstowe South and Bathside Bay, but was strongly denied by HPUK.

So how they can continue to claim to be building an unautomated port now in the face of this competition will be interesting to see.

"Although the number of jobs at the port will be fairly low, given the level of automation."

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Final quote from this site;

"The goal is to achieve productivity rates some 40% to 50% above the current UK average, or around 30 moves per crane per hour."

Looks as though it a godsend that Felixstowe South has not been started for they would have had to go back to the drawing board to make it competative with this port handling claims.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Another indicator Ivan on how ship sizes are going from Lloyds List.

http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/news...ode=Commentary&pager.offset=0

But as the world prepares for the new generation of 12,000 teu ships, Samsung has published its blueprint for a 16,000 teu ship, with a length of 400 m, the accommodation block in the middle, but the engineroom at the rear.

A dock is being built and Samsung said it plans to shift its sales strategy to 16,000 teu ships next year. At the same time it is researching ice-breaking containerships.

But if the 16,000 teu Samsung design seems incredible, AXS-Alphaliner has had another look at the Emma Maersk and now reckons the theoretical maximum capacity is as high as 15,200 teu.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

I've put this elswhere on this site but have located the draft for the largest ships up to 21 meters plus an additional 2 meters for the drag when these ships are underway.

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