£80 fines if you put your rubbish out to early

ivan burit · £80 fines if you put your rubbish out to early

The world IS going mad.
Its starting here, but its spreading from Romford like a bad rash.

What next - midnight collections like they do in Spain, but Spain gets it collected every night.

from the Romford Recorder.

Fines for putting rubbish out early
11 July 2008

Catrina Ricketts, pictured with her young son, puts her rubbish sacks out the day before collection because she does not have time in the morning

RESIDENTS could face an £80 fine if they put their rubbish out on the wrong day.

Under the controversial plan to be trialed this month in the streets surrounding Gooshays Drive, Harold Hill, residents could be fined for putting black bags on the streets before their collection day, and for putting banned recyclables such as yoghurt pots and margarine tubs in their orange bags.

Resident Tony Sonn, of Lancing Road, said that while he supported recycling, penalising people for putting their rubbish out before collection day was unrealistic.

He said: "What do they expect us to do? Keep it indoors with the smell? I don't work normal hours, so am I supposed to put my rubbish out when I'm at work?"

Mother-of-three Catrina Ricketts, of Kingsbridge Road, Harold Hill, said she was often too busy to put her rubbish out on collection day.

"It's enough of a rush to get the kids ready in the morning, let alone remember to put the rubbish out. I usually put it out the day before," Catrina said.

Other residents were left scratching their heads over the difference between plastic milk containers, which are allowed in orange recycling bags, and yoghurt pots, which are banned.

"It does seem a bit ridiculous considering they're made from the same substance," a Kettering Road resident who did not want to be named said. "And if they want to stop mess or animals getting to the bags, surely wheelie bins are the better option."

Havering Council says the fines are intended to stop non-recyclable materials being put in the orange bags, and to stop street mess which encourages rats.

But a council spokesman emphasised that street cleaners would not be going through people's recycling to check whether it contained banned materials.

Councillor Barry Tebbutt, Cabinet Member for Streetcare, said: "This is not something that we want to do, but we need all our residents to start thinking more about the environment and about how they deal with waste.

"Putting non-recyclable waste in recycling bags and putting rubbish out on the wrong collection day costs council taxpayers money.

amenity2

Ivan, this is scanned from the Harwich and Manninbgtree Standard July 4th this year.

ANGRY residents say they are being forced to put sacks of smelly rubbish inside their homes to avoid being fined by Tendring Council.
People living in Victoria Street, Harwich, have been fined £75 each for rubbish left outside their homes.
But council bosses say the residents have already been warned about the fines and leaving rubbish in the street could cause a safety hazard.
Lynn Thorington is one resident who will have to pay.
She said: "I have never had anything through in black and white to say I am not supposed to put rubbish out and have lived here for 14 months."
She said she contacted Tendring Council to complain. It recently paid £24,000 for intensive street cleaning, extra beach and greensward cleaning, removal of dog mess and for extra litter bins in Harwich's east ward, which includes Victoria Street.
Miss Thorington said she agreed with the cleaning programme but was surprised at her fine.
"Where they expect me to put my rubbish, I don't know. There are families down here who have more rubbish than I do. Now it is already smelling in my hallway," added the 36-year-old. She said she had spoken to other residents, including one who was fined.
They want an area where wheeled-bins or a skip can go. Miss Thorington said that although she will pay her fine, she is considering writing to her MP.
Nigel Brown, Tendring Council's communications manager, said the council was taking a tough line with residents who put their refuse sacks and recycling material out too early before collection.
"We put a clear warning out in April advising residents to take more care over when they put their bags of household rubbish out, or risk the prospect of a £75 fixed penalty notice," he said"Putting bags out too early can create a hazard, especially for the blind or partially-sighted, and it also leads to the bags being ripped open by cats or birds and the waste being blown about."
He added: "We had carried out a number of special clean-ups in the Harwich East ward to improve the overall appearance of the area for residents and businesses alike.
"Concerns were raised about some people placing their bags out
too early, and letters were sent out to residents in Victoria Street warning them that they would face a £75 fine should they be identified."
Mr Brown said the council would not hesitate to hand out fixed penalty notices if necessary.
He said that bags should be put just inside the gate or boundary of a property the night before collection at the earliest.

ivan burit

So where are our wheelie bins that Colchester or other councils give to residents.
A small and un substantiated remark i overheard said we (TDC) had a grant for bins, but we got pint size boxes instead.

some local councils now have 3 differnt coloured bins per household, each for its own use.
Is that good or bad amenity ?

amenity2

Well, if people had confidence in the collecting agencies that they were actually keeping stuff separate once collected, as they do and have done for some considerable time in Germany for instance, maybe it would be a good idea. But as I have sat in my car at Manningtree Coop car park and watched as all the separate glass is then mixed together in the back of the truck, one can only wonder at all the duplicity.

It's about time our representatives came clean once and for all if they want our support. We the people that live in Tendring give the power on a temporary basis to our representatives, they have only themselves to blame if they lose our support.

Am mindful to ask why they are constantly finding ways to irk the local populace and have come to the conclusion its part of the divide and rule strategy, sort of keep us on our toes and our minds of them..

ivan burit

In Havering, they use an orange bag for recycling system.
apparantly, a computer at the depot selects items in the system as both type of sacks get transported together, then seperated.

pepsi

Amenity,

I can tell you that usually at every full council meeting, we get at least 5 minutes worth of statistics from Michael Talbot, the portfolio holder for recycling, on what a brilliant job is being done here in Tendring in terms of recycling.

I seem to remember him saying a few months ago that TDC had considered wheelie bins but it was too costly and would mean too much of an increase on Council Tax therefore it was considered more cost efficient for the rate payer to continue to receive plastic sacks.

ivan burit

BUT, the portfolio holder enthuses about just how much we get BACK from ECC in effinfiency payments.

how much more effiecient would weelie bins be, if TDC never had to bulk purchase millions of wasted black plastic bags..?

Landfill rubbish takes longer to de generate inside plastic bags.
look at any tip, and the thing you see most is plastic bags.
Tesco stores freebe bags do degenerate into fluffy snowy mess if left out, on being given at store they are quite strong, so why not use this material for "black" bag use..

amenity2

What an uproar when it was disclosed that our waste was being sent as an export to China, and still is in containers. Does this type of export get an export credit?

Who knows, but the carbon footprint just to dump our waste elsewhere around the globe must be staggering apart from disastrous for the third world countries we corrupt.

Western Europe is up to it too, dumping in the once named earn Europe, illegally of course.

Little men might get up and list but what is it worth?

mojo

"some local councils now have 3 differnt coloured bins per household, each for its own use. Is that good or bad amenity ?"

Personally I am quite happy with the way it's done here in Tendring.
When you hear in the media how complicated some Councils make their rubbish/recycling collections I'm grateful that ours is so easy - a black bag for rubbish and the green box for everything else.

What I would like to see is that the people who don't put out any recycling ( and therefore have very full black bags) are given a letter to encourage them to recycle.

As for wheelybins - I live in a flat. We don't have a communal rubbish bin and obviously a wheely is a nogo. I have no trouble with this. I recycle and my weekly rubbish would fit in a carrier bag. Of course, I have to use a black bag which is far too big. I have tried putting out a carrier bag but the collectors won't take it - say rubbish has to be in a black bag.

maybe TDC should issue smaller black bags to encourage recycling????

ivan burit

OK mojo.
maybe TDC should issue smaller black bags to encourage recycling????

yes i agree that sometimes our black bags are only part full, but from a 3 or sometimes 6 person household, what is put into my black bags are so heavy, a full bag is nie on impossable to carry out.
I have two weelie bin size dustbins (green of course)
1 for recycling bags (the tiny little box fills within a few days)
1 for black bag rubbish.
these are stored by my garden side gate / fence out of the way, out of sight until thursday night late, when i put them out "early" for 7 - 8 am collection for rubbish.
the guys then come back for recycling 10 - 12 am.
WHY..?
If the two coloured system was used, only one collection is needed, if you dont have different coloured / use weelie bins.
No one down my street only just fills the one tiny green box, its total of recycling billows over in assorted white / clear plastic bags.
I have overheard the hard working recycling guys complain about just how much we now recycle.
Sorry, but we dont recycle enough.
We should have most plastic type material recycled.
We should have ALL glass recycled.

Today i took my 4 big bags of grass / green garden waste to Rush Green tip.
They have a H U G E open container now for just ceramics alone, and it gets filled easily.

Most stuff can be recycled, but at different cost values, IF, you want to stop landfill quotas.

If i was to have a home composter, a large percentage of my black bag waste would not go to landfill, but, and a big but,
a, my Mrs will not have one on our property (attracts vermin she says)
b, i`m not that much of a gardiner to use huge amounts of composted matter, but i take my green waste to be composted.

Of subject a bit, we are told of the need to have and use water butts - fine.
in jaywick, what a boon to those like me with that whose property is granted £38 per year OFF our water bills as we have no street drainage.

Just stop and think about that for a minuet or two.

How much is a water but-----
How long does a water but last-----
How much water does the largest hold---
How much does a yearly gardiner / car washer / and other uses take out of the hosepipe via our much needed water supply systems provided by the company that grants us a £38 reduction on our water bills........

That too mojo is not rocket science is it.

Give us all water butts (or us that PAY our water bills) and at a stroke it will save thousends of precious gallons per household per year.
And be so much better than "pure" tap water for our garden uses.
The water company will no longer have the need to reduce bills for water wastage running down the avenues, and so making life a bit more better for those that have problems at the lower end of Brooklands Avenues when it rains or in the winter time.

Fortunately, both the roads that surround my property are free from pot holes or suffer from waterlogging, as i live almost at the top of the avenues adjacent to Brooklands, but i still feel for others down my two "streets" in the wet.

++++++++++FREEDOM FROM WATER WASTAGE IN OUR TOWNS PLEASE+++++++

ha..ha..ha..
sounds like an ad campaign

Lin

If anyone wants another green box ,they are available from the little shop in Jackson Road next to the pet shop.I now have 3 boxes and fill them most weeks.
I also have 5 water butts ,my motto is 'where there's a roof theres a water butt'.I have them connected to my greenhouse ,hubbies shed ,a brick shed and my log cabin.A little tip for water butts is place an old piece if stocking over the drainpipe ,I feed all my scraps to the birds first thing in the morning up on the shed roof away from cats and if there is a downpour the food used to go in my water butt ,turning rather nasty ,so I do this to stop the problem.

I would like a wormery ,but am a bit squeamish (as my 12 year old will tell you after chasing me up the garden with a slow worm he 'found' in the compost heap) ,maybe I'll get one and try it.

I would also love to have a wheelie bin as it would be easier for me ,but can appreciate the problems people in flats would have.

What would help is if shops stopped putting so much wrapping on things ,I now buy my fruit and veg loose.I don't put it in the bags provided and know I am probably 'that awkward woman in front of you at the supermarket' but this has reduced what I waste.i wish the big stores would replace the plastic bags with paper ones as they can be recycled.
I also refuse to use carrier bags as they are a blasted nuisance for littering .Everywhere you look there is a palstic bag attatched to a fence or blowing in the wind.I have some nice reusable ones that do me well.

Also love using the dump at Rush Green now ,the chaps there are always very helpful (I do tend to do my 'struggling little woman bit 'and they rush to help).Though I don't think they will be too pleased to see me this afternoon with my 11 sacks of rubbish and trimmings where we had a clean up round my perimiter fence yesterday. Rolling Eyes

ivan burit

Young Lin very good tips for us.
I will try to use your stockings on my new not yet purchased water buts....lol

I too have obtained a new box for my dearest daughter, but its like talking to the north sea, you do, but all it does is waves back.....(sorry)
next please:-

"Though I don't think they will be too pleased to see me this afternoon with my 11 sacks of rubbish and trimmings where we had a clean up round my perimiter fence yesterday."

woman, if i knew, i would have waited just to have a moan........ha..ha..ha...

cerialisly, (breakast ?)if you have a bark/tree/ chipper thingy/ would it not reduce down your huge amount of green waste, i have used one, would love another, but dont have the need for one except for when i go barmy at next doors leylandii.
My brother in law had one of them chippers for sale, and i looked at it lovingly, but could not justify buying it....darn it.......lol.

amenity2

It really is not good enough to bury heads in the sand, read what the BBC found is happening to our green rubbish. How general is it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/real_story/4493728.stm

amenity2

I hope this has been stopped for all our sakes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/real_story/4490056.stm

ivan burit

amenity2

And this one?

http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=1798

Anyhow blame the private individual and fine them £80 for one bagful of rubbish.

If this is an equitable fine then industry should pay a proportionate fine.

Thousands of tons dumped of the coast of the UK as an experiment, happened just recently.

Any suggestions?

Lin

I really think now is the time for shoppers to do what they feel is best for the environment.
I deliberately refuse to buy anything with excess packaging on.A typical example is at Christmas ,just try buying a toy for a child with no packaging .Why ,oh why do the manufacturers insist on wrapping plastic things inside preformed plastic.I need a degree in packaging to get into some of the stuff that has beem given(lovingly secondary wrapped in pretty paper ) to my boy at this time of year.
Is there really any need to wrap things so stupidly.
Plus those horrid plastic coated ties ( put there no doubt by some poor ,underpaid Chinese man who is getting fed up putting ties on so deliberately does them up so it's impossible to get the darn things off without the aid of a sharp knife and the probable loss of a couple of fingertips)that seem to adorn everything.
The one that really gets my blood boiling is when you buy an electrical item and the plug is wrapped in bubble wrap ....for Gods sake(Sorry Vicar Wink

) who thinks up these stupid ideas .AND when you go into a shop and buy 1 item and the assistant insists on putting it in a carrier bag ....no thanks.I may have upset a few in my time because I calmly take the item out of the bag and put it in my bag (with the reciept ...arrrrgh more waste)and give them the carrier bag back.
So it is up to the shopper to vote with their feet and either refuse to buy these overwrapped items 1/2 of which ,the wrapping is not recyclable ,OR simply take off the packaging ,in the store ,and hand it back to the assistant to sort out. Evil or Very Mad

I WANT a shredder ,but the OH won't buy me one .....
Dear Father Christmas ............. Rolling Eyes

pepsi

Lin, you are a woman after my own heart.

I too have waterbuts and compost bins, a shredder and my own wonderful shopping bags which we bought many years ago in an Irish supermarket for 1 euro each. They are square and hold the weeks shopping easily, totally reusable and if the do get a tear I simply sew it up.

I feed the birds and tree rats any scrap bread and fruit/veggies

I also buy my fruit and veggies loose and try to avoid packaging as much as possible but I do favour wheelie bins.

Personally I think the continental method is tops, communual rubbish bins where everyone puts their non-recycleable and then emptied every night.

We were in Spain for a long weekend recently and it was lovely to see clean streets, rubbish removed nightly and the pavements and roads swept with leaf blasters.

I do wonder if any council has ever done a costing based on cummunual rubbish bins and nightly collections, personally I think that the results might be surprising.

ivan burit

"I WANT a shredder ,but the OH won't buy me one .....
Dear Father Christmas "

STOP CALLING ME FATHER.....

OK, Mr Christmas will do nicely.

getting back to pepsi`s post about communial rubbish bins.
brillient idea, but getting people to walk outside, down the road, to put rubbish into a big bin is asking a lot i think.
we are just not taught the right thing to do early enough.

pepsi

Well Ivan, I firmly believe that you are never too old to learn and if it is a choice between having rotting rubbish piling up in your home and garden or walking a few yards to dump it in the bin then I know what I would choose Very Happy

Just think, it would have the added advantage of teaching some of us to help our neighbours as well, i.e. the disabled, elderly and housebound.

ivan burit

pepsi i`m with you all the way mate.

the last time we stayed at our friends apartment in balademena (or whatever its called) on the costa`s
it was four floors up, we soon got used to filling up the carrier bag size kitchen bin and taking it down to empty.
it was english owned, but was adjusted to spanish way of life.

Helping my neighbours is what i do when i can;
the other week as i was serving up dinner, that i cooked, an elderly neighbour called to say her toilet was blocked............nice.......i thought...
so after a quick meal, of i trotted with big red rubber gloves, sink / toilet plunger, and if it comes to the worst, sewer rods....
as said little old (older than me) living alone lady said (i `aint been today) and i`ve run me bath already.
OK, outside, lift the sewer cover - pull the chain i said------
nothing----
inside, plunger jumping up and down got some water movement---
outside i ran to see movement, but not a lot-----
pull the chain again i said, well trickles came along.
at this point "i `aint been today" said whats that running along my sewer,
i said, in the trade its called sh*t.......ha..ha..ha..........(sorry - but)

It turns out said "i `aint been today" had used kitchen towel instead of puppy soft paper, and its not good for your pipes matey....oh no its not...really...

After much flushing and jet hosing it was as clean as a babies botty...

Sorry - long story again...but...my days are never dull around these parts for long.

mojo

I totally agree with what Pepsi says about walking to a dumpster or having rubbish rotting at home but these days it seems that people are just too b***** lazy to walk a couple of yards.

Some friends of mine - not this area - had a communal bin and for the first three months or so it seemed everyone in the town was coming along at night and dumping fridges, car tyres and all other stuff that should go to the tip.(Sorry, Civic Amenity Site)
Most of this stuff needed transport to illegally dump it so goodness knows why it wasn't legally dumped. Anyway, after the three months or so it more or less stopped.

A tip (excuse the pun) if your green box is full - you know the sacks were are given from charities to put clothes in and then they collect? If there's no clothes then the bag isn't collected? Well, use those bags for putting in the extra recycling and leave it on the top of the box.
I rarely send stuff for charity in these bags anyway 'cos I understand there are unregistered collectors (thieves?) who will nab the bag before the proper collectors. I take my stuff in small amounts on the bus (I have no car) when I go into town.

Lin

Goodness, we are a bunch of Greens arn't we ? .
I think that TDC should employ us to sort out recycling.
I wouldn't mind one of those communal bins ,I'd be more than willing to take my elderly neighbours rubbish ect to it.Trouble is ,as has already been said .I reckon the poplace would be up in arms if made to walk a few yards ,but we could live in hope.
The OH has said I can have a shredder for Christmas ,but ,I have got to be really good until then (I'll take that as I need to cook all his favourite dinners till Christmas then).
Went to the dump yeaterday afternoon ,got some funny looks as I has managed to cram all those bags in a little corsa .As usual there was lots of help on offer.I was chatting to one of the chaps who works there and he was telling me how the Britain in Bloom judges had been taken to the tip by the local commitee to see how clean it is and I must agree with him.He also reckoned I should get a discount on the compost the council sells as most of it is made by my green waste.
My lad did his own recycling at the weekend.we have two Cordylines that were sweet tiny things when we planted them 3 years ago .They now stand 10' high and some of the lower fronds had turned a bit brown.So ,after we had cut them off ,he weaved them into big squares and now I am the proud owner of three Compost covers ,all environmentaly friendly ,made with love and he is pleased with his efforts.
Perhaps we should give each other our 'Green Tips' and see just how much we can recycle.Those free cd's are great 'spinners' for the fruit bushes.I use old compost sacks to line hanging baskets .All the larger bits of wood from trees are used to build my wildlife area where my hedgehogs live.Odd socks are filled with dry grass and put out in the autumn for insects to live in and the old plastic bottles make brilliant watereres for pot plants ,I cut the bottoms off and put them upside down and in the compost.The OH also uses old milk cartons as a makeshift funnel for pouring oil ect.
Any More ???.
Oh and Ivan ,I think you should teach your "I haven't been yet" neighbour to use the Rizla papers trick instead of kitchen roll Laughing

amenity2

If your packing cardboard for waste its worth noting that sprayed with water it will lose its springyness and take up less space, much heavier though.

ivan burit

"Oh and Ivan ,I think you should teach your "I haven't been yet" neighbour to use the Rizla papers trick instead of kitchen roll "

OH nice trick young Lin,
but i am puzzled by it all..

what happens if the gummed edge gets stuck before finishing its application...

as elderly neighbour has a habit of calling on not the ghostbusters, but ivan the bogbuster...! ! !

oooeeeerr, big red rubber gloves again i tink...

p.s. what else do you use large rizzlers for, not for when your weeding ?...(ha.ha.ha.)........

Lin

Ha ha ,wouldn't you like to know Ivan.
I'll have to PM you about the rizla though ,not really fit for this site Wink

ivan burit

Little Oakley: Man threatened to ‘slash’ neighbour
11:43am Friday 25th July 2008

A knifeman who threatened to “slash” his neighbours, after a row over binbags spiralled out of control, told police he was having a “bad day”.

Police were called after Alfie Johnston, 22, was seen brandishing a lock-knife outside his Little Oakley home on June 30, a court heard.

“He said, ‘I’m going to slash you up’ and started waving the knife about,” said Lucy Miller, prosecuting.

“His brother was trying to calm him down, without very much success.”

Chelmsford Magistrates’ Court heard Johnston’s neighbours suspected he had left bags of rubbish outside their home and had put them back outside his house, in Seaview Avenue.

Johnston later told police he had had a “very bad day”.

“His mood reflected this when he threatened the aggrieved,” said Mrs Miller.

Johnston admitted making violent threats and possessing a knife.

Julie Brice, mitigating, said he “completely denied” brandishing the knife or threatening to slash his victims, and claimed they had been abusive to him.

She said he had the knife in his pocket because he had just come back from fishing.

Johnston is due to be sentenced in September at Chelmsford Crown Court.

You see, bin bags, eventually they drive you insane - insane - insane.....