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ivan burit · Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

Sorry amenity, in the rush to place my last post, i never read it thorough enough.

But, on tonights news programe, it mentioned the upgrading of the A14 to Felixtowe...

Nothing was mentioned about Harwich i belive.

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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Ivan this is worth a look, have taken a sample to whet your appetite.

"The Port of Felixstowe's £46 million upgrade of the Felixstowe-Ipswich rail line has been postponed, but is due to be complete by the end of 2013. Over 4 miles of the branch line will be dualled between Trimley Station and a point west of Levington Bridge, along with other improvements."

http://www.felixstowetv.co.uk/news.php?extend.1659

ivan burit · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

[quote="amenity"]Ivan this is worth a look, have taken a sample to whet your appetite.

"The Port of Felixstowe's £46 million upgrade of the Felixstowe-Ipswich rail line has been postponed, but is due to be complete by the end of 2013. Over 4 miles of the branch line will be dualled between Trimley Station and a point west of Levington Bridge, along with other improvements."

If it all goes ahead, it will make the whole area a busy bustling place dont you think amenity.
The proposed 400 eco-home village caught my eye also.
The words eco homes or eco town are the new buzz words for getting planning permision easy, or so a recient tv programme implied.
After riding through the pretty lanes on a recient scoot club ride out to the ports sailing club, it was shown to be a very underdeveloped area, but so nice and quiet.
At what point does progress become-change for ever the area.?

I must admit though, the propsed eco friendly rail transit system, if implimented, would seem to work very well.
We have tram transit systems in large towns already, Croydon and Manchester being some i belive, with Croydons track laying turning its city center into a no go area for years while building it, so if the new proposed transit system was begun early before building hundreds of new homes, that to could be used for eco deliveries to the building site..

Off subject just, when the Becontree Estate was built, at the time the biggest in the world, in the earlier part of last century, railway lines run down the major roadways to deliver the neccesary building materials as and when required.........eco friendly even all them years ago, or just plain and simple made good sense to do it.
Then horse and cart carried the short distance from collection point, to point of use.
Now could be eco friendly bio diesel low emmision truck, or even gas powered trucks that produce almost no emmisions, to do the local point to point deliveries...

Another point is the new proposed HUGE wind turbine offshore farm that going to be built up that way soon, coincedence or purposeful planning..

To me, little things just seem to be clicking into place......lol..
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

It's a shame that local people are the last to know what is going on, don't you think Ivan, were just left guessing.

ivan burit · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

After the guessing game for my part of Tendering, gets longer and longer, despite Town Hall assurances they are "on to it"
your waterside futures can be seen to be belived,
or, belive it when you see it.....

carots before donkeys comes to mind here...(if we are not careful)..
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Portland looks to have all the prerequites of an ideal port Ivan.

"Portland Port has the second largest man made harbour in the world, situated 22 miles north of the westerly shipping lanes and on the main maritime trade routes allowing fast, safe access 24 hours a day. There are no restrictions by locks, tides, beam or air draft and the port’s well sheltered waters with depths up to 20m in the outer harbour and up to 15m in the inner harbour. Limiting charted depth at the breakwater entrance is 13.8 metres.

Since the departure of the Royal Navy from Portland Port in 1996, the port has developed into a thriving facility combining its vast natural assets with the full range of services demanded in today’s maritime market.

Portland Harbour Authority Limited provides a full range of marine services. As well as fulfilling its statutory role in regulating the safety of navigation etc P.H.A.L also ensures conservation and preservation of the flora and fauna of the harbour.

Special Notice: Please note all small vessels wishing to fuel please contact Weymouth Harbour Authority on Tel: (01305) 838423 or visit Weymouth Harbour Authority

Portland Harbour Authority Ltd Registered Office: Binghams Melcombe, Dorchester, DT2"

ivan burit · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject:

As a family, we love Weymouth and Portland, having been many times.
Weymouth`s old railway station on the outer arm of its harbour was used by the old steam trains as a departing point for traditional ferry to Jersey/guernsey, but is now the docking area for the highspeed Condor lines fast ferries, both vehiculer and foot passenger, to the channel islands and france.
my 8 year old grandaughter just loves standing on the rear deck of the Condor, in the wind and sea spray (as do nanny and mummy)
In portland harbour, it has 2 entrances, but only one is usable, as the open sea facing entrance was defended by the sinking of a huge world war one battle ship accross its entrance to originally defend it from submarine attack.
The wreck is a well know dive area used frequently...
Many hundreds of tonnes of Portland stone are being used to construct a inner sea wall for use in the 2012 olympics, and afterwards..
The views from the top of Portland looking over its lower Town, its docks and watersports areas, its Chesil Beach as far as you can see, and out to open sea are brillient, and for those with younger children that remember portland bill, portlands lighthouse and cliff top walk are worth looking at too.
On a windy day, it IS windy too.
OK back to harbours, our carrot is a fictional one but its there all the same.
Spin by various departments gets worse as we go along day by day.
If i was parranoid, i would say i trust no one, but i very rarely do these days, as i have been trapped into false hope just once to oftain during the last year.
I will remain independent untill i find confidance not to be so, that notwithstanding, i welcome your views on our various posts, look foreward even to them...

Oh dear i am begining to sound like the Victor Meldue`s of this world...

With that in mind, a victor rant is in order....Freedom for Jaywick...ha..ha..ha..
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Saw this in todays Lloyds List, thought it would be of interest, wonder if Felixstowe has any of this equipment?

By Neville Smith
Friday 13 June 2008
“HOPING that logic will overtake emotion” is not a fully-hedged position when the cause you have pinned your hope to is US security. This was not the only contradictory statement to emerge from the World Customs Organisation’s assessment of readiness of the world’s ports for 100% scanning of all US-bound containers.
The WCO found a divergent trend between Asia and the US, with the former already investing in scanning technology and the latter “sticking its head in the sand”.
It was less surprising to learn that there are 15 scanners in operation in the Philippines than that trials in Southampton have found the process slow and costly.
The WCO is committed to opposing the US plans and the report left no-one in any doubt of the challenges that the programme presents. But despite being unable to convince the US Congress that 100% scanning would not by itself improve supply chain security, it also admits it could make it more efficient.
EU ports have a dwindling share of US-bound movements so the incentive to spend is limited, but that will not divert the US from its security agenda. If they are unprepared, European ports could lose out further.
Rather than hope, or ignore the prevailing conditions, it would be better to take this opportunity to re-tool the supply chain for the demands of the 21st century. This could include beefing up security, improving transparency and increasing intermodalism.
Perhaps the WCO should ask the world’s biggest economy to contribute to those links of the chain it feels are in greatest need of improvement.

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject:

amenity, i read your piece with interest and puzzlement.
Does the new scanning technology use X ray for its operation, the reason i ask, X rays are a usefull tool in medicine, and other safety factor uses like testing production componants and welds for stress fractures..
X rays can also be leathal to human & animal health if over used, or used incorrectly.
In the ports scanning facilities, on such large items to be scanned / X rayed, how do the operations control the damaging effect of the scans or rays.

A year ago my most expensive (nearest & dearest) was in hospital for 2 months,
she had 15 or more C/T scans during that period.
What she never knew until last week was 1 C/T scan is equivilent to 200 X rays..
15 x 200 = HUGE amount of very dangerous X rays being passed through her body during the 2 month Hospital stay.
Last week her consultant is still woried about another C/T scan to her body.

In dockside areas, the control of wayward X rays could be a very dangerous health hazard to its workers ?..
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ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject:

Our views echoed by the Gazette.

http://www.clactonandfrintongazet...ewed.we_need_cash_for_a12_now.php

Hmmm dont know just what to say really....??
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

This should raise as many questions as it answers Ivan, the issue you have raised may be the reason that scanners are not more commonly used, rumour has it that some people don't want scanners 'cos it would ruin their trade, could be some truth here I suppose.

Anyway hope this bit gives some insight to the new range of X-Ray scanners.

http://www.bureauveritas.com/wps/...finance+-+republic+of+ivory+coast

The government decided to implement a scanner for inspecting imported goods inside containers at the port of Abidjan. To install and operate the scanner, Bureau Veritas (through its subsidiary dedicated to facilitating trade, Bivac) was chosen because of its strong technical expertise. The government invested in the most modern scanner available. There are only two others like it in the world: one on the UK side of the Channel Tunnel, the other at the port of Marseille. It is bigger than other scanners, and can be used to inspect two 40-foot containers at the same time. Up to 30 containers can be checked every hour. The scanner is extremely sensitive. For example, trained staff can look at the color x-ray image and see the difference between a new and a used car tire. Another example: they can count exactly how many computers are inside a container, then compare with the number of computers declared on transport documents. If extra tax or duty needs to be paid, it can be decided almost instantly. As a result, illegal or undeclared items can be found quickly and easily. The Bureau Veritas team works closely with Customs officials. A certificate is given to each container that passes the scanning. Customs can then authorize the container. About 50 Bureau Veritas staff are based at the Port of Abidjan, with two teams of 6 people who are trained to analyze the images.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

David Ralph says the FSB has evidence, I wonder what kind and if it has been presented to government, after all it is government that will release the purse strings in these uncertain times.

The A12 of course is under stress the way we are using it at the moment and if we had cars that ran on water I might be convinced that it should be widened, but we don't have this luxury.

We need to rethink our strategy of employment, is it intelligent to transport people 68 miles (or more)every day to work on a computer in an office when they could operate such a device from home?

Could not be done some might say but anyone that uses this forum gives evidence of the arguments power.

David then goes on to say "It is really important that the Bathside Bay port is built" but what evidence is he using to support this assertion?

Could not something be learned from the above example of road usage and doing the same job from home, it is acknowledged that a great deal of the goods that come through the ports are utter rubbish that end up in land fill within two weeks of arrival, cut this junk out and save the environment and reduce the need for port expansion.

To suppose that as a country we will need vastly more goods than we presently consume, poses some questions;
1) Is the population going to grow in proportion to the projection figures?
2) Are we going to watch three TV's at once in the future?
3) Are we suggesting that we should be FATTER!!

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject:

"We need to rethink our strategy of employment, is it intelligent to transport people 68 miles (or more)every day to work"

Out of the blue, at a recient scooter club night, we talked about the distance of going to work.
one member who lives in Holland -on-sea travels to welling garden city every day, on alternating shift patterns 5 or 6 days each week, some 600 odd miles or so.
For their minimal costs, he uses well used cars, prefuring diesels, to do this daily journey.
His job of maintainance engineer cannot be replaced by the telephone line or connection i`m afraid..
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

From your example Ivan I have to agree on the face of it but if at the same time an engineer is travelling from WGC to Harwich every day and these two unknowingly cross paths it can be seen that a lot of travelling could potentially be saved even when we are not dealing with paper pushers. Looking at the London skyline it would appear that paper pushers are in the majority in the City at any rate.

It has been suggested before that tax and rate changes could be introduced to provoke firms into using local people, this sort of thing is rather bound to come about sooner or later unless we run our fabled water engines so lets do it sooner.

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject:

amenity i can also see your point, but, if our local bloke "could" find a local job that paid sufficient funds, that would negate his burning of his time and earths resources while being in gainfull employment also.
Our local bloke in question has been time served for about 12 years in his employment, and has no options as we speak, to change his area of place of work.
(but would love to)

Another point i just thought of, in USA they have "local" taxes - state taxes, that seem easier to control just whats needed localy rather than being told what to tax at what rate from afar.
would it / could it work in say harwich as being different to Colchester.
More people work in Colchester than work in Harwich (i assume)
The fabled carrot for Harwich would / could be your tax advantages given for local resident workforce against local resident working 62 miles away.

We all know of the premium being paid for central londons workforce as being the penalty paid for its workforce`s traveling into our capitol.
Not only is that penalty getting dearer almost weekly, by whatever means of travel taken, but the travelling time is now being stretched also almost weekly.
Once upon a time, you got on a train and got off at your destination in time.
These days, you might get a train to get on, but it may not even get you to your destination at all.
And the roads, well lets not go there.........lol..
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Of course these things are complicated, but if things get very tight and they could, couldn't they, work may not be as it is indefinitely, unless we readjust our wasteful methods.

We could rely on technology to get us out of the cr*p but that might not prove the most certain route, prevention is better etc.

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject:

So, local eco towns may not be as such a far fetched idea as first thought of.
maintainance workers are an adaptable bunch, being easily trained into local tradespersons.
Local workers working in local areas are the ideals of more far flung shores i know, but our history has showed that it was once the only way of life for the majority.

As i sit and ponder it all, the thought of food being needed to be grown to feed its eco inhabitants, would need huge farms working all year round to support it.
They could even form the essential greenspace gap as required by the Local Area Strategic Plans.....

Ok, i`m now too tired to think it through........lol.....
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ivan burit · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject:

amenity i found this, its a requirement for more needed workers for the 2012...

182,000 workers wanted:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7264905.stm
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

ivan burit · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:28 am Post subject:

"Maybe she knew something about the downturn in the industry that would ensure a supply of workers, or it could just be old fashioned luck?"

I was talking to a buddy yesterday who is a local builder, and we talked about the need for these extra 180,000 odd needed builders in London, to meet the target date for 2012 olympics.

his remarks to "would you drive into the nightmare of Londons massive building site and get work was:-

you must be off your rocker to want to try to get into the site, do a days work, then try and get out again just to get home..............

Say`s it all really then amenity......lol
Im not saying that NO ONE will go that route, it depends on your circumstances:-
if you cant get work and your up sh*t creek without a paddle, then it may save your bacon so to speak..

As this once great country has only 4 tiny years untill the start of the most expensive single event in this once great countries history, two things spring to mind.
1:- how much debt will it put us in just to stage it.
2:- how much further debt will it cost to convert most of the new facilities back to every day uses, as they wont, or most wont, be used as is.......
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

You raise some good points here Ivan, your builder friend has got a very strong case, I worked on the Victoria line when it was being built and unless someone took you down there with a coach load of other chaps it would be a nightmare.

These monstrous schemes to consume taxpayers money will come round to bite our rear end.

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:

Trouble at mill lad, it seems....lol
my earlier post now has watchdog warnings attached to it...

"As this once great country has only 4 tiny years untill the start of the most expensive single event in this once great countries history, two things spring to mind.
1:- how much debt will it put us in just to stage it.
2:- how much further debt will it cost to convert most of the new facilities back to every day uses, as they wont, or most wont, be used as is"

http://money.aol.co.uk/watchdog-w...dget/article/20080619212309990009
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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Just goes to show, when they tried to bamboozle us over the estimated costs that would be incurred, they had been making it all up, even now they don't have costs for the Olympic Village. A trifle now estimated at £1billion.

Without doubt this is theft.

pepsi · Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 161

In fact Ken Livingstone, when he appeared on Question Time, blatently admitted that he had made the figures for London up in order to ensure that London's bid would be successful.

His excuse was that he thought it would be good for London in terms of employment, tourism and the world stage and therefore his only concern had been to get the bid any way he could.

He admitted that he knew his figures were too low and that it would cost far more to stage these games but he did not care and would do the same thing again.

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject:

"He admitted that he knew his figures were too low and that it would cost far more to stage these games but he did not care and would do the same thing again."

All the while believing his march mad as a hatter ideas would pass through unchalanged...
just dont start me off on Londons Low Emmision Zone charges & £200 per day, rising to £1,000 by the end of 7 day`s if not paid..

Red Ken laid his traps with no knowledge of his downfall...
We have in TDC a very simular "red ken" type that is not in our world either, how much longer before he disapears too.......
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