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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

EssexGurl says "Well I guess that depends. If the shelter was on hospital land then the developers would just claim ownership of everything on the land. But morally I do think it does amount to it.

But as Ferret says what can you do about it. These developers seem to be a law unto themselves at times."

Is being on hospital land sufficient reason to claim ownership, after all our electric meters and gas meters remain the property of the respective boards/companies maybe such ownership remains with whoever owned the shelter?
Maybe the owners are not interested in pursuing this on behalf of the people of this peninsula?

Maybe it is still theft whether or not anyone wishes to follow it up?

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

I'm guessing it depends on what the terms were when they handed over the land. I wouldnt have put it past them to just say "its all yours do with it what you will."

Does naybody have any idea who owened the shelter. I vaguelly remember someone saying that the local people raised the money for the shelter so by that do we think that the people owened it and not one company? Who paid for the upkeep? I'm guessing that when it was taken away they hoped that no one would question it and if the locals did kick up a fuss it would die down quickly - which is what happened.

Perhpas someone ought to go to Boxted and claim owenership.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Wouldn't it be nice if one of our councillors had the bottle to do just that?

suffolkpunch · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 13

Why wait for the councillors to get off their backsides?

If anyone knows where it is in Boxtead the people could go and claim it.

Anybody got a pickup that could take a shelter? Laughing

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ferret · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 37 Location: Harwich

The shelter was built by local builder Saunders as a bus shelter for the nurses. I would assume it would have been dedicated to the hospital.
We really need to know who it belonged to for certain.

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

Here's one for the reporters.

So the trust have saved 50k by using these on call doctors, but whats the reality of it.

Well my friend works for an undertakers. She has just spent 2 days trying to get the body of an old lady released. The doctor from the oncall service (i forget its name) filled in the forms wrong. Apparently when the body is to be cremated it needs to be seen and and a form signed by 2 docs. This idiot from the oncall filled in the form wrong, stating he hadnt seen the body - he had. The hopital couldnt get hold of him to get it sorted. So my mates mum has been in contact with all sorts including the coroner. Of course during all of this there is the ladies family who are of course grieving the loss of their loved one at what must be a difficult time of year to do it and they arent able to sort anything out as no one can do anything cos of the sheer incompetance of this doc. So the outcome of it all is that 2 docs from Harwich will do the form correctly. That'll be 2 docs from Harwich that wont be needed cos its saving the trust 50k. So its good to know that sacking the docs from Harwich is working out as well as everything else to do with that bloody great whit elephant we call a hospital.

I hope the 2 docs from Harwich put in a nice large bill for their services - if it were me it would be in the region of £50,000 (each).

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Ahh, but, Essex Gurl, you are forgetting, the trust WILL HAVE LEARN'T A LESSON FROM THIS.
I can't find an emoticon for SCREAMING

When politicians say "I believe" or "it is a matter of judgment" or "we have learn't lessons from this."
I am concerned.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Listening to the radio today here's another for my list of concerning statements from potty polly's
Bush; "I am inclined to believe"

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

I'm betting it'll be called 'teething problems' just like everything else that has gone wrong and then nothing at all will change.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

EG said
"I'm betting it'll be called 'teething problems' just like everything else that has gone wrong and then nothing at all will change."

I bet the Minister of Health, Rosie Winterton, has used your phrase often when describing troubles with management of the NHS dental services.

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

Don't get me started about dentists. Evil or Very Mad

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Essex Gurl,
I do hope you were not one of those that were evicted from dentists lists when they went private?
That really was a disgrace.

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

I have a long ongoing tale of woe where dentists are concerned

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Did you hear the news today?

The government is to introduce an investigation into the possibility of screening people that drink, smoke or eat to excess and thereby bar them from help under the NHS.

Clearly it would be helpful if these excesses were curtailed but, surely the pedlars of drugs, hormones and lifestyle are in a great measure responsible?

What measures would constrain them?

The profit making aspect of civilisation.

The sell off of the NHS will be succsessful if the loss making bits are hived of first.

Just as in the temple, profit is all (I am not religous) but...

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

So if they decide they arent going to treat people that are smokers, drinkers and overweight can we assume that these people wont have to pay anything towards the NHS??

I thought not.....

Just another way of spending more money on something that wont happen cos at the end of it all they actually do need the votes of the overweight, drinkers and smokers.

Seriously what idiot thinks up these plans.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Government is proving, idiots abound.

Interestingly this announcement was made on a day it could be buried, so I guess it could be for real.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

I listened to the 8am news again and the name of the think tank that will consider questions of anti social behavior, and health issues is,

'Deliberative Forums'

1984

Karl Duguid · Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 36

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Karl Duguid · Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 36

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

I'm with you Essex Gurl on this one, especially when it is solely announced over the radio.

Also sometimes BBC World radio seems to have a different agenda to our own watered down version.

Looks like editors think they know what is good for us, of course they assure the public they act independently of anybody.

But as we have seen when somebody in charge of media steps out of line, criticizes politicians etc they don't last long.

EssexGurl · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 222

Well I read the bit in the paper about the mess made by the oncall docs and the signing of the wrong forms that I mention a good few posts up.

I thought it was a well written piece - thank you whoever wrote it.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Yes, I found that encouraging too. The reporting I mean.

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