Press Association
Wednesday April 18, 2007 1:58 AM
Electronic signatures scanned on to driving licences and passports differ so much from people's usual signatures that they may not guard against fraud, it has been claimed.
Researchers at the University of Derby studied 150 signatures created with different types of pen and compared them to the end result when the document is fed into a scanner.
why not teach them skills from an early age that are useful and relevent. Proper cooking - with real ingrediants. Whole meals and not just mash. Money management. Green issues.
These skills are 'jobs of the parents' apparently. Something I came across in my research for my General Studies Coursework (it was on teenage pregnancy but apparently it's a parents job to teach about that too). We have schools, so why can't we teach a bit of everything? Parent's see children for a couple of hours at night whereas a school has them all day, surely they can do something to help kids learn about what they really need to know.
My fifteen year old cousin has the reading and writing skills of a seven year old. His high school said that it was because he was a failure which means he still has to have french and german lessons. If he can't even read English how is he supposed to learn French?! Needless to say he's being home tutored now. He's learnt more in the last month than he ever did at any school to be honest.
On ID cards though, it's a pretty scary thought. They can have every detail about you on it, why should that be allowed. Seems like we're living in a world where we can't have any privacy at all. Children should be brought up feeling safe, not told they need finger prints for their future safety by a figure of trust.
Hey Nikadi & Essex Girl, some disagreement from me on the comment that schools should teach all.
I do think they should bring back proper cookery classes and certainly teach environmental subjects, but they cannot teach all.
Unfortunately, I think that there are some parents who do not think they should have a responsibility to teach their children anything, they firmly believe it is always someone elses' responsibility.
Schools should be teaching the basic skills we all need to get on in this world, and unfortunately they often fail on those counts, children who cannot read properly, are unable to write clearly or do maths is not an ideal situation.
But parents should be teaching them social skills, sensible values and the difference between right and wrong, they should be teaching them respect for others and that you have to put in some effort for things, everything in life is not your automatic right or owed to you.
We cannot expect schools to teach our children all the necessary life skills, we also have a duty as parents and adults to make sure we set a good example to all children and help them to learn good social skills and values.
Hey Nikadi & Essex Girl, some disagreement from me on the comment that schools should teach all.
I do think they should bring back proper cookery classes and certainly teach environmental subjects, but they cannot teach all.
Unfortunately, I think that there are some parents who do not think they should have a responsibility to teach their children anything, they firmly believe it is always someone elses' responsibility.
Schools should be teaching the basic skills we all need to get on in this world, and unfortunately they often fail on those counts, children who cannot read properly, are unable to write clearly or do maths is not an ideal situation.
But parents should be teaching them social skills, sensible values and the difference between right and wrong, they should be teaching them respect for others and that you have to put in some effort for things, everything in life is not your automatic right or owed to you.
We cannot expect schools to teach our children all the necessary life skills, we also have a duty as parents and adults to make sure we set a good example to all children and help them to learn good social skills and values.
I don't disagree with you, I think that parents should teach their children values and teach them right from wrong, but there's only so much they can do when a child is in education from 8 until 3 five days a week and alot of the time that parents is also working until late. And now days some parents just don't care unfortunately. There should be more done by the local Government for young people to do as well. Or not really more but more accesible (I cannot spell today :/) things to do. I used to love going up to Colchester when I was a kid to their art fares in the park, they were the highlights of my summer. And these activities should happen more often. But then at the same time, young people have the attitude of they don't care about all this, so they don't care about the fact they have an education and a place to live and fresh food at night. Respect is lacking with young people now, but it's only the minority of us :/ What can a parent or educator do when kids are as bad as they are now? I'm in college and the kids in the school section of my school (Colne Community) can be little craps. More needs to be done then an empty threat of tempory exclusion as the ones who do it all enjoy that -_-[/i]
I agree parents should teach kids a lot more than most do. But when my daughter has cookery and one of those lessons is how to make packet stuff....what is that about. She can read, she doesnt need to learn how to add water to something and stir. All that is teaching them is laziness. Enough children already think that you cook by opening the freezing and putting the box or tray into the oven. I'm not saying they should be taught up to Jamie Olivers standards but when there is an obesity epidemic they need to be taught that healthy food can taste good and sometimes is as quick as a ready meal to cook. If parents wont or cant teach the kids the skills they need who will....and if no one does isnt it just an ongoing circle with them not being able to teach their kids real life skills.
I may sound old fashioned but when both parents are forced out to work just to keep a roof over their heads something has to give. Some people manage it all ok and some dont. We choose to live without a lot so that I am at home with the kids. I bake with my little ones and now the older ones are always asking if they can bake alone. For mothers day they made and iced me a really nice cake. If I hadn't been home to teach them that they probably wouldnt have even thought they could do it. Also as I am at home I know if the older ones are late home. I know they arent running round the street being hooligans. When we have been out and they have dropped litter I have made them pick it up. They know that people have to pay for things that get ruined so they respect other peoples property.
For parents to be able to bring their kids properly they need to be there especially when they are young. Not forced out to work just to survive.
I agree parents should teach kids a lot more than most do. But when my daughter has cookery and one of those lessons is how to make packet stuff....what is that about. She can read, she doesnt need to learn how to add water to something and stir. All that is teaching them is laziness. Enough children already think that you cook by opening the freezing and putting the box or tray into the oven. I'm not saying they should be taught up to Jamie Olivers standards but when there is an obesity epidemic they need to be taught that healthy food can taste good and sometimes is as quick as a ready meal to cook. If parents wont or cant teach the kids the skills they need who will....and if no one does isnt it just an ongoing circle with them not being able to teach their kids real life skills.
Tell me you're joking? Please? Where does she go to school? I've been to two schools in the area and they've been alright with food tech really :/
However, I'll admit, I'm guilty of the 'fast packet food' phenonmenon. I've eaten a pot noodle this morning and for dinner I'm having morrisons own chow mein noodles as part of my meal tonight probably, but that one's because I can't find a decent veggie chow mein sauce lol.
What I do if I eat packet food is to just add things I like into it. Normally some form of quorn or another. Oo, has anyone else had those dolmio sauces? They're delicious *yum*
Hey Essex Girl and Nikadi you both have valid points.
I am horrified to hear that schools are teaching about junk food prepartion in classes, they should be teaching about proper notrition and how to prepare fresh food. The abolition by many oschools of the old Domestic Science classes played a part in the fact that now so few people can still cook a proper meal.
Nikadi, you are right in saying that there should be more activities for all people, including the young and one of the problems with schools is that they have had all methods of disciplining badly behaved kids removed from them so how are the teachers supposed to be able to handle nbad behaviour, especially if the parent does not.
Essex Girl, you said the magic words, you made the choice to go without in order to be their for your kids. In our materialistic world, every parent wants to give their kids all the things that they never had and the result is that parents work long hours in order to buy their kids the latest this that and the other, not always just to keep a roof over their heads.
Life is choices and unfortunately, often these days, the wrong ones are made for the wrong reasons but we need to take responsibility for our choices.
I honestly do think that they should bring back harsher punishments in schools. I'd never step a toe out of line if they did! And I would have done all of my work too!
Sorry to revert to id cards but saw this in the Indy online today. BTW you can get the online version for free.
John Reid was accused of spin after a report on the soaring bill for ID cards was delayed until the day of Tony Blair's resignation.
Figures published by the Home Secretary yesterday disclosed that the cost of the controversial scheme had risen by £840m in just six months.
Ministers were legally obliged to produce the statistics in early April, but put off publication for more than four weeks. The delay brought accusations from opposition parties and anti-ID card campaigners that the Government was trying to, "bury bad news".
Last October ministers calculated the flagship policy would cost £4.91bn over the next 10 years. In a new forecast that should have been released to Parliament on 9 April, the Home Office revised the cost yesterday to £5.75bn.
I have put this on DC's site but it's worth repeating, get this with ID cards and what have you got? Let's not forget it must be rare for a policeman to come out like this.
A senior police officer has warned that the spread of CCTV in Britain could lead to an "Orwellian" society.
Deputy chief constable of Hampshire Ian Readhead said he did not want to live in a country with surveillance on every street corner.
There are reportedly up to 4.2 million CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people.
Mr Redhead questioned whether there was justification for the cost of increasing camera surveillance in small towns and villages that have relatively low crime levels.
The Hampshire force covers the small town of Stockbridge, where parish councillors have spent £10,000 installing CCTV.
"I'm really concerned about what happens to the product of these cameras, and what comes next," he said.
"If it's in our villages, are we really moving towards an Orwellian situation where cameras are at every street corner?
"And I really don't think that's the kind of country that I want to live in."
Mr Readhead also called for the use of speed cameras to be reviewed, and more consideration of why DNA was kept.
Supporters of CCTV say it is a crucial tool in deterring crime and catching criminals, and the innocent have nothing to fear.
Well things are going a abundle, government asking for more powers for police to stop anybody and the reason that they want to is quite sufficient.
So our MP's want certain restrictions on how the FOIact applies to them and their reason; to safeguard the correspondence between themselves and their constituents.
But if they are so concerned about security the following is all the more supprising.
During research at the Houses of Parliament concerning the security of Bluetooth telephone connections researcher Adam Laurie found within 14 minutes 46 vulnerable handsets.
Of course these people looking after our correspondence would argue they are not up to speed with the equipment they are using, so don't blame them.
Seems strange that the powers that be have spent money to prove what we all know, that the middle classes are thieves, curios that, so in my estimation must be the upper classes, and we all know about those unmentionalbles, the working classes and god forbid that we cast a glance at the underclass.
The biggest rogues I've ever met are the rich and the rich includes burueacratic organisations, big business etc.
Look at these pages and see the complaints against TDC who would not consider that this organisation is not short changing the populace. So this therefore is, de facto, a crime.
Hmm, think the editorial of the report puts it very well.
Consumers are sheep or wolves, easy prey and preying on others, think this highlights soo clearly that we are simply another animal species on this planet.
No better than most other animal species who share this planet with us and in most cases, far worse.
I have been thinking about the unclaimed money that governemnt knows is not collected by pensioners because they are not aware they only have to ask for it. I wonder has anyone heard the government say that when ID cards are here that all one has to do is present the card and get what you are deserving?
This must be something the government has not considered surely?
During the early hours on World radio I think I heard someone say there is pressure to remove 'money' as we know it and replace coins and notes with swipe cards, goodbye bootsales, goodbye a untaxed xmas box for the dustman, present for a friend the mighty government will know all.
Of course I could have been dreaming or sleepwalking?
Hmm, think the editorial of the report puts it very well.
Consumers are sheep or wolves, easy prey and preying on others, think this highlights soo clearly that we are simply another animal species on this planet.
No better than most other animal species who share this planet with us and in most cases, far worse.
We share with the animals not their admirable qualities. However the animals called parasites we have a lot in common.
If you tell the tale of the poor man looking in bins for food there are those that will say 'scrounger' yet these same people will see nothing odd in a rich man on his yaght on the Med being served with ice cold drinks by a nubile young person, 'cos he's got money. Why are some extremes more acceptable?
Have been on both sides of that fence Amenity, when I grew up, like most families, money was very tight and we often picked nettles from the hedgerows to cook as a vegetables and often went to bed with rumbling tums
Back to ID cards
Hearing all this talk about how they are needed to prevent identity theft, fraud, terrorism and just about every other ill there is one thing that has to be born in mind
the ID card isn't even a partial solution to any of these things unless the act is taken much further by making the carrying of the card compulsory and giving police powers to demand the production of your card without probable cause, which is where I think we are going"
And these are the questions which should be put relentlessly to every politician who supports this ridiculous and dangerous scheme....
"Please explain how a national ID card will address any of the alleged problems you name UNLESS it is compulsory to carry one at all times"
"Will you vote to give the police the power to demand to see the national ID card at any time and under any circumstance?" (Yes or No answer only!)
The more vague the answer to the first question and any answer other than a simple "no" to the second will confirm to us all what the real end game is!
I wonder if Special constables will be granted the power to stop and demand an ID card, who I wonder could say no I'm not showing it.
Could for instance an MP refuse a special constable and be arrested and taken to the police station?
Someone has mentioned the possibility and or opportunity for local councils when the ID scheme is in place to be able to carry out DNA analysis of such mundane things as Coke tins, Dog end of fags and other kinds of rubbish and then on the basis of the DNA "evidence" fine the 'offender'.
BTW anybody know what the on the spot fines are for littering?
As it says on this add volume reduces price so if our councils do use DNA data base this way and if things follow speeding offences should prove very profitable indeed.
The Police are said to hold currently over 4million DNA samples so multiply this by say £500 (the possible cost of legally binding DNA samples in this country) and the true costs of 1984 rise out of the mists.
Just heard about this ,never trusted the department involved and this has proved a lot of worries to be accurate.
If they cannot even get this right ,how on earth can we now trust them to keep any information private.
If you have a child and claim child benefit ,keep a very close eye on your bank account.
I was of the mindset of 'if you have nothing to hide ,then ID scheme was not a bad idea' sadly ,this is not the case...I hope the right heads will roll and whatever idiot put this info through the wrong channel will stand up and say it was them.
Grrrrrrrr
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