Just heard about this ,never trusted the department involved and this has proved a lot of worries to be accurate.
If they cannot even get this right ,how on earth can we now trust them to keep any information private.
If you have a child and claim child benefit ,keep a very close eye on your bank account.
I was of the mindset of 'if you have nothing to hide ,then ID scheme was not a bad idea' sadly ,this is not the case...I hope the right heads will roll and whatever idiot put this info through the wrong channel will stand up and say it was them.
Grrrrrrrr
Lin,
The truthfulness of the present claims vis-a-vis what happened to the Cd's is open to question wouldn't you think? Suppose they gave them to an accomplice and said they put them in the tray who can prove anything, our bosses are incompetents.
I think one of the most worrying aspects of all this is the amount of time they knew about it and left us in the dark.My God ,even the banks knew before us.
Well ,I was straight down the cashpoint to check my account and will be checking it every 3 days from now on.
I have been a victim of Identity Fraud in the past and ,luckily .spotted it quite quickly and set the wheels in motion to sort it out (not as easy as you think)I informed the Police ,who were not interested ,so did some detective work and found out it was a person living where we used to live ,who had since moved on .
Well I couldn't find her ,but I did find her father ,who I telephoned and told him just what his daughter had been up to ,not a happy chappie.It took ages and a lot of phone calls and cost me money to sort out and that happened with her knowing my name only.Beggars belief what they could do with your NI number ,Phone number ,DOB ect
What a mess.....
ID scheme.........your having a laugh....I wouldn't even try Mr Brown and co...
About 15 years ago I discovered - by accident - that my ex-husbands sister was using my 70 year old mother's NI number in order to obtain extra work but not pay tax on it.
I reported her to the Inland Revenue and was told that they weren't going to do anything about it because "it wasn't really cost-effective to investigate".
So I shopped her to the firm she was working with with that NI number.
They told her they had evidence she was using a NI number that wasn't hers and she lost her job
From the Independent,
So Brown will do everything in his power to make sure data is safe, why well he wants more info on the population I suppose?
As recently as 25 October, the Government rejected Mr Thomas's request for such a power in response to a Lords committee. It said then that "the current enforcement regime for data protection is fit for purpose". But yesterday an embattled Mr Brown appeared to relent, adding that he would also consider the commissioner's plea for the creation of a new criminal offence of "reckless disregard of data protection principles". He insisted: "We will do everything in our power to ensure data is safe."
The link and info is from a site that purports to be responsible for the issues listed below. Perhaps we should ask if they have been approached by the ID card people to advise on points?
1. the protection within the territory of the Union of citizens' rights, human rights and fundamental rights, including the protection of minorities, as laid down in the Treaties and in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union;
2. the measures needed to combat all forms of discrimination other than those based on sex or those occurring at the workplace and in the labour market;
3. legislation in the areas of transparency and of the protection of natural persons with regard to the processing of personal data;
4. the establishment and development of an area of freedom, security and justice, in particular:
(a) measures concerning the entry and movement of persons, asylum and migration as well as judicial and administrative cooperation in civil matters,
(b) measures concerning an integrated management of the common borders,
(c) measures relating to police and judicial cooperation in criminal matters;
5. the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction and the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia, Europol, Eurojust, Cepol and other bodies and agencies in the same area;
6. the determination of a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the principles common to the Member States.
So a government minister says he knows what two other people are talking about on the phone late at night in private. What I would like to know is HOW?
Andy Burnham, who has been tipped as a future prime minister, suggested in a magazine article that Mr Davis had indulged in "late night, hand wringing, heart-melting phone calls" with the director of Liberty.
Today, a family member had an urgent letter fom a "local" NHS Hospital he attends.
In the letter it was explained that one of its members of staff had been in Scotland, with his work laptop, that had been stolen.
This laptop contained personal information on "several" thousend patients, amongst many other files of "less-sensative nature.
My family member had his in amoung them several thousend.
We are assured that the computer was password protected and only autherised staff with the correct password could access this data....
BUT as the data was not encrypted there is a "very small" chance that patient details CAN be accessed..
Details such as personal information = patients names, their date of birth, post code, hospital number, hospital investigation and or treatment that is / was / still ongoing..
It goes further BLAH BLAH BLAH...
At the bottom paragraph,
please be assured that the Trust takes security and patient confidentiality very seriously..........OH YEH...
We are holding an ivestigation into how this "incident" occured and its consequences and have suspended the member of staff involved until the investigation concludes...
Yours sincerly. Peter Murphy Chief Executive....
(was this the same one in last weeks paper who said his job is now worth double pay..?.)
A few things spring to mind.
my / yours / anyones personal information is / can be easily accessed on the NHS computer, it says that above.
my personal involvement a few months ago with Barts of Londons computer after its upgrade was nothing short of disgusting, slow, unworkable unless you got the hand written code to log into its data base...nice..!.!.!
How many times have we as a nation, have been told that national security has never been at its highest..
so the dimbats with our information leave laptops on trains, in cars, loose discs in the post.............
why not give it all away and be done with it........
the culprits are doing it almost daily now.......
Years ago security meant a lock and key, it meant a big dog that barked.
Todays security means that only bonafide personell access it,
then loose it all somewhere.......
Colchester Hospital has a freephone number 0800 328 0015.
IF you would like to speak to someone about it..........
Did anyone else get an inquiry from ECC saying they were doing a Tendring Travel Census day and would we provide personal information, (that was extremely personal) but giving no assurance that anyone could believe that this information would remain secret.
Did they really need to know each of these classifications of our age, sex, education, occupation, driving licence, car ownership,income, method of transport.
Added to this would be your place of work etc etc. Probably you would think safe enough on it's own but coupled with everything already held on computer about us not much left to the imagination, and should any crook get his hands on these tidbits he would have a field day.
The assurance given is printed below, does it fill you with confidence?
Data Protection
The completion of this travel diary is voluntary. All information is collected on a strictly confidential basis. The data collected in this survey will only be used by Essex County Council to plan and inform the delivery of transport infrastructure and services. The information will be used to compile a database of trips. Any addresses provided will be converted into postcodes and in this way be made anonymous. Reporting will be undertaken at an aggregate level, thus preventing the identification of any individual trip from the results. DATA WILL BE PROCESSED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DATA PROTECTION ACT 1998. ESSEX COUNTY COUNCIL IS THE DATA CONTROLLER.
Ah, but did anyone notice that on the front of each traffic survey booklet there was a number? Call me cynical but why? Anyway, I blotted my number out.
Also, when the original card came through the letter box telling us about the travel survey there was a picture of a bus on it. I so assumed that the survey was about the buses in Tendring.
Then the survey came and I realised it was about all types of travel.
Did you see the enclosed envelope was addressed to "Car Parks Survey"?
I wonder how much all that cost?
First of all the information card went via Royal Mail. Then the survey itself. Then the pre-paid return envelope............
Now, I'm in California right now and will be for the next two months so I am relying on you all to keep me up-to-date with all the goings-on in the area.
I had that Travel Survey as well ,and my thoughts were the same as Mojo's ,just how much money did that waste.
I'm afraid they won't like my replies on the last page though.Tough ,shouldn't have bothered asking if they don'y want the truth.
I did ,however, point out that there should be a website or something that dealt with Local Car Sharing.With the price of petrol the powers that be should be looking into this.My husband started off the year car sharing with one other chap ,now there are 5 of them in the car.If they didn't do this ,no-one would be able to afford to get to work.
Also had another 'survey' from the council this week wanting to know all sorts of things.Best ones were "What nationality are you" funnily enough there were boxes for all sorts but not one that said English ,so put down in 'any other' box White English.Also asked what our sexual orientaion was ,I answered in the 'other' box "Mind your own business" .
That's brilliant Ta Pepsi .I'll give the address to anyone who needs it as my OH 's car is now full .Not that I'm moaning as he now pays 1/5 of what it was in petrol.
More than a card - a new way of life
The ID Card scheme is not just a harmless new bit of plastic in your wallet. It requires a massive and intrusive database that changes the nature of UK Citizenship and shifts the balance of power further away from the citizen to the State. With the National Identity Register (NIR) and ID Card, the Government will control your identity. It will decide who you are. Showing ID to officials will become an everyday part of British life.
Although other Europeans are used to ID Cards the NIR is much more controlling than their ID Card systems and they have legal safeguards we do not. It will open your life to inspection by thousands of bureaucrats.
Spiraling costs
Even the Government admits the minimum cost is £5.8 billion - that's six domes! That estimate has doubled since 2004. And it only counts Home Office costs and not the penalties for errors, or the cost of policing many new offences. The Government is reducing the Civil Service but is building a whole new Identity Service. Taxpayers and businesses will have to pay yet more for special scanners in doctors' surgeries, benefit offices, banks and even hotels.
The biggest ever White Elephant
Big Government computer systems are a catalogue of disaster. Yet this is the biggest and most complicated government computer scheme anywhere, ever.
Even if it works perfectly, the ID scheme cannot meet the problems it is supposed to solve. The Government admits that the NIR will not stop terrorism. Almost all benefit fraud is lying about circumstances, not who you are. A single master document makes identity theft easier, and more worthwhile, not harder. Criminals don't play by the bureaucratic rules. ID Cards won't cut crime.
A tool for bullies
With a wink to racists, the Government says ID will stop illegal immigration. But it doesn't in the rest of Europe. Asians and black people often feel they are unfairly stopped and searched by police already. ID will give more reasons to "check" people. What's more, demands to prove you are British will creep into more and more public and private services, with the system as an excuse. How does a divided society make you safer?
And when it goes wrong? — You, the suspect
You are about to be fingerprinted, eye-scanned and tagged like a criminal. Any errors will be your responsibility. The Home Office will have the final say. Even now about 100 people a month (out of a few thousand checked) are wrongly marked as criminals by the Criminal Records Bureau. The NIR could mean several checks a day for everybody. What happens to your life when the scanner fails or there's a mistake?
Say NO to ID
The ID scheme is expensive and socially destructive. Either it will help make Britain a police-state, or it will be a bigger white elephant than the poll tax. Help us
stop it.
www. N@2ID .net
The newscaster on ITV 3 was telling the story of the missing private files of the criminals that have been lost she started to link to the other laptops etc that have been lost by government agencies, when hey presto, she was cut of in her prime.
The main newscaster was quite clearly cross over this. No explanation was given for this strong edit/censorship.
Amenity, go send a couple of the kid spies to see the Rev Flowerdue in St. Osyth.
its website explains all.
It is worrying though amenity, when as you rightly say the Hitler Youth were recruted for "only" watching out, but as they get older, what next.
On re reading through some of the very old posts, i read about electronic signatures.
For a fact, you are required to electronically sign your arrest papers,
after leaving 2 DNA swabs, electronically taken finger prints and photos, before you are let out on bail, complete with printed information sheet with computer printed signature at the bottom.
WHO HOLDS THIS ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE.
Can it be used to "sign" a confession that was never confessed.
To me its very worrying, would it you if your electronic name and signature is held by someone else.
We have seen that another "loss" of sensative information has been sdmitted to, but happened about 18 months ago.
Can all of H M Prisons staff sleep easy now they know all of their details have the possability that criminal masterminds have every detail about them..
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,I answered in the 'other' box "Mind your own business" .