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amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

From todays Lloyds list;

The Japenese did it now we did it and the Iraqi's do it.

Dover remembers

BACK on the other side of the English Channel, Dover is preparing to commemorate the seafarers and Royal Marines who sailed from the port 89 years ago to keep the channel clear of enemy submarines.

Civic leaders, current and ex-service organisations and ordinary men and women will be remembering the heroes of the Zeebrugge Raid who, on St George’s Day 1918, bottled up German submarines at the Belgian port by sinking blockships.

It was accepted by the raiders, all volunteers, that it was a suicide mission. In an hour-long firefight 635 were killed, wounded or reported missing as the blockships were put in position.

Scores of bravery decorations were awarded including eight Victoria Crosses, 21 Distinguished Service Orders and 29 Distinguished Service Crosses. Many of those who died, and whose bodies were brought home to Dover, are buried at the town’s St James’ Cemetery where the ceremonies will be held on April 23.

As a result of the raid, the German submarines and surface craft in the Belgian canal system were unable to attack channel shipping carrying reinforcements to the Western Front at a time when the German army was threatening a massive breakthrough.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

So our area and by this I include Colchester and our country is still 'losing' men abroad in 'Wars'.

Isn't it about time a better way was sought for people to balance their views than by killing?

We are not putting anything right by our encroachment into other nation states.

Unless Mr Brown can give a convincing argument ( which even the great Bliar failed to do) why we should protect the production of the insidious Poppy and support the US in it's search for energy, whilst I understand their are no moral issues left in this world, why let our sons die for an unsupportable idea?

Lin · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 783 Location: Gt Clacton

I have ,and will always have the greatest repect for 'Our Boys' but feel the powers that be have really let them down .What with sending them where we do not need to be ,failing to equip them properly ,failing them when they return home ,failing those that are injured ,failing the families who try to understand why thier sons /daughters died and most of all ,failing to forsee what we all knew in the first place.

Are they fighting to give those suppressed people rights ,don't really think so .When it all gets to the point it's oil and drugs at the bottom of this.

Quite a long time ago ,I was given a song by a group called The Levellers it's called Another Mans Cause .If any of you ever listen to it ,you will see the same thoughts apply today many years after it was released.

We have the Bravest soldiers ,who should have a day each year to commemorate their courage and we should do more to help those who have fought for the country ,even though they do not believe in the war they are fighting.Many are not coping with the after effects and end up on the streets /institutions and the families who try to cope with such devastating personality changes in their loved ones do not get the support they need..

Yes ,I am very anti Iraq /Afghanistan but support Our Boys in their Bravery and Fortitude.

If the U.S want to go and fight for greed ,let them do it alone .We are not the U.S and never want to be.

ivan burit · Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:52 am Post subject:

We all behind you on this one amenity,
except if you are making millions out of private forces overseas,
making millions out keeping the troops fed and watered overseas,
and making millions out of the bubling black stuff underground, underneath all those troops overseas, underneath all those poppies, and the ideaoligy of what the red poppy represents for those that perished overseas....

What real reason do our children go overseas, to protect not only us, but the local to them residents overseas,
greed is one answer, profit is another, then we have sence of duty as another.
but i dont know in what order our leaders put them....

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

Strangely, in view of what our army is doing in Afganistan our navy confisticated a haul of Herion in the South Seas.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news...-cocaine-off-barbados-859109.html

Lin · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 783 Location: Gt Clacton

Call me cynical amenity ,but strange how Prince William was on board for this one.Do you think it would have got the publicity if he had not been on board ?.

Vicar · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 275

No one's more cynical than me, and I doubt they'd even have found it if Prince William hadn't been on board.

amenity · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 775 Location: Dovercourt

One has to ask why worry about the 400kg of Heroin when we are protecting the growth of tons of the stuff elsewhere but as you say Lin the unthinkable may have some substance, after all who owns/controls what goes on in this world?

Our Royals sweet figureheads though they seem are very influential, after all who could influence them?

Our great leader, Brown, if in doubt, could make great strides if he arranged the purchase of those grim fields of poppies for the production of medical related substances, of which there is a world shortage.

So yes, royals get a boost, navy gets a boost and the price of those fields in Afghanistan get a boost.

How important is the drugs trade?

"Some estimates placed the value of the global trade in illegal drugs at around US$400 billion in the year 2000; that, added to the global trade value of legal drugs at the same time, totals to an amount higher than the amount of money spent for food in the same period of time."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_dealers

How great is the value of the Arms Trade?

Well for the same year as above it was 28 billion dollars.

http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_gov_ind_data.html

In other words the drugs trade is by dollar terms many times greater than even the lucrative arms trade and some think a princess died for her opposition to the arms trade/ mines.

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

Our politicians, when will they learn?

From the Indy today.

"Brigadier Carleton-Smith concluded: "Armies have never controlled Afghanistan. There has always been a political settlement.""

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

So!

SAS guy is wrong, say government, after all they should know Rolling Eyes

We are spending £700 million on 700 trucks to save our guys getting blown up in lightweight Rang-rovers.

But isn't that what the SAS commander said we ain't doing it now, Dumbo Rolling Eyes

Bring them home alive for everybody's sake. Mad

Lin · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 783 Location: Gt Clacton

I see Milliband is saying that our troops will not be going to the Congo .Yeh ,who believes him?.
Keep our lads out of there ,let another country step in for once.

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

I reckon they would either send a token or have to pull from Iraq or Afghanistan.

Might be the excuse they are looking for, Hmmm!

Lin · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 783 Location: Gt Clacton

Don't get me wrong, I think what is happening in Congo is a disgrace and will happily help with aid for the displaced .I would never support the government if they wanted to send our boys in.
Let some of those countries that resent our being in Afghanistan and Iraq send thieir troops in for a change.
Why is it always the UK that goes in and ends up being the most hated country ?.

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

'Cos we, like our American 'friends' are avaricious and are prepared to expend cannon fodder.

Nothing changes.

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

So what did we get out of our "WAR" with Iraq?

Could this be all men women and children have died for?

Speaking at a UN Security Council meeting on Iraq last Friday, the British ambassador, Sir John Sawers, hinted that a pullout could be close. He noted that at present British forces were focused on two remaining commitments, training and mentoring the 14th Division of the Iraqi army, and preparing Basra airport for transfer to Iraqi control. "We remain on course to fulfil these tasks in the coming months, following which our military mission will change fundamentally, to a normal bilateral defence relationship, of the kind we have with other friends and partners in the region," Sir John said.

For the full account.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news...-iraq-in-three-years-1021591.html

Lin · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 783 Location: Gt Clacton

IF I was PM ,I would wait ,s ay nothing ,then ,one night ,just withdraw ALL our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan ,quietly with no-one knowing .Then look at the 'enemies' reaction when they realised there was no-one to fight. That's the best way to withdraw .Could you imagine the look on the Yanks faces when they realise they are on their own in this one ?.
I know, wishful thinking ,but hey , I will never be PM so I can dream.

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

This must the the British Dream.

Every time I hear "Another British soldier etc" I flinch.

It's not a war so lets give it up as a great blunder by a great idiot.

ivan burit · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject:

I read all posts on this thread, and sit and think....

What if crosses my mind many times....

OK, how did Iraq exist before the good `ol USA, of GB, or the UN..

How did Iran also exist...

Out of all those dusty countries, one or two was slowly imploding, with nothing left of its infrastructure to sell as scrap, its future being its men and women folk reverting back to loincloth clothing,
its future, ripe then for being overun....

To us, our communities, many 1,000`s of miles away, our imput into far of dusty desert communities are as alien to the normal person, as would be greeting men from Mars.

We have a bigger control problem here in good `ol blighty, with communities being lost to gang warfare, daily shootings in our streets, and snow mountains being sold daily to all levels of its citizens.........

AND ITS GETTING WORSE....(sorry for the drama)

Some areas are fighting back, to regain control of public accessable areas like shopping malls.

Blue waters in Kent has banned hoodies,
ok, why,
so you can see your enemy, thats why, and it works too.

no groups bigger than 5 if seen not to be shopping..

shopping went up 22% after shoppers realised the fear of crime against them drasticaly reduced..

So, can we adopt this idea anywhere else i wonder ?..

Well i`ll leave you to think of that, but,

our greatest enemy at the moment wears a little more than just a hoody, but for relgious reasons, even if they are not that normally religious out in public gaze...

amenity2 · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 798 Location: Dovercourt

Read these posts again and am set to thinking, why oh why are we in Afghanistan?

In the final analysis we have to rely on the good judgement of our "Leaders".

Our Leader's judgement has been shown to be lacking.

Shown to be lacking in areas he claims to have special knowledge, he sold our gold cheaply, he steered us into the Credit Crunch, he presided over the depletion of our pensions and more.

What are his credentials for war? If they were found to be as valuable as his economic credentials would he carry the support of the nation?

Will we awaken from a dream state, to perceive through the mists not a haunches of a lion but the flanks of a donkey ahead of us, an animal whose only intellectual quality is stubbornness.

ivan burit · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:07 am Post subject:

Amenity:-

"Will we awaken from a dream state, to perceive through the mists not a haunches of a lion but the flanks of a donkey ahead of us, an animal whose only intellectual quality is stubbornness."

Spot on matey........

sid · Guest

"Blue waters in Kent has banned hoodies,
ok, why,
so you can see your enemy, thats why, and it works too."

A lot like the thugs on scooters they use the crash helmet to stop the victims of there attacks identifying them 'as it anoyes you so much' PULSE the fact that there is conveniently no number plate on the front where in the interest of safety there could be a sticky label reg. ban crash helmets all scooter riders are brain dead any way. Laughing

ivan burit · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject:

On the original theme of bringing back home our troops,

mighty fine pictures in the gazette the other day of 700 i belive,
of great british troops marched through town,
being mightily cheered on by drenched well wishers in the public.

oh, its spelt *plus* typoman. Rolling Eyes

sid · Guest

ivan burit · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject:

ok typoman...(*~*)

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